Great product for gaining size and strength while losing some fat for me. Gained 15 pounds and kept it all after Reversitol PCT
. I will definitely do again as it worked great but had to stop early ( 3.5 weeks on ) due to sides which were probably due to me running no supports like I should have. Reason for stop was my joints which started drying out like crazy. Tried Cirrus etc but I was way to gone. Should also mention I have been lifting since 19 and stopped due to children a few years ago so that might explain why I kept the gains so well. Do yourself a favor and run all supports with a huge excess of joint supports. Next time I will run all supports with Animal Flex
, Triple Strength Fish Oil
and USP super cirrus prior to Havoc
. Yea that's how bad my joints got and my elbows still hurt 4 weeks later.