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Rich source of oleuropein that is typically used in fat burners for its ability to raise metabolism, improve insulin sensitivity, glucose uptake, and mobilize stored fat for energy use.
Adaptogenic and Nootropic herb that can improve cognitive function, reduce stress, and boost memory formation.
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Alpha-T2 is marketed as a "targeted fat destroyer". They claim this because it contains 14mg rauwolscine aka: alpha-yohimbine which exhibits the positive fat burning effects of yohimbine without the unwanted side effects like cramping and erratic heart beat. AT2 also contains 40mg of Higenamine which is a Beta-adrenergic agonists which means it acts upon beta-receptors most commonly found in trouble fat areas such as the abdomen and so when you are burning fat, your activated beta receptors utilize your hard to reach fat stores. Lastly At2 contains 300mcg of 3,3'-diiodo-l-thyronine. This is an obscure thyroid support with only minor evidence supporting its ability to increase thyroid function in healthy adults.
What you will NOT see in Alpha-t2 is caffeine which is what primarily separates this from most fat burners. You tend to not get so much of a stimmed out feeling when using AT2 because of this.
What I liked about AT2 was that I could choose to caffeinate myself as I deemed appropriate for the day. No worries about overdosing when combined with a pre-workout. What was surprising for me was that A2T increased my cardiovascular ability where Oxyelite pro limited my cardio because of the excessive rise in heart rate.
AT2 also gave me that nice "inner-drive" when lifting which is common with yohimbine and similar in effects to a t-booster. My lifts were always slightly better when I would use AT2 vs without.
My bodyfat was around 12% when starting AT2 and ended up around 11% when I finished the container. It should be noted I had a horrific diet, lack of training consistency and did not take AT2 everyday because of supplement policies at work. With that off my conscience it speaks for itself that my bf% managed to decrease with me half-assing almost every other key factor.
Side Effects: 2
I cant really say I had any unwanted side effects with AT2. I did notice it working shortly after I took it and so for people who are sensitive to Yohimbine, they could notice some sides.
Its very reasonably prices at around $25 which puts it right at a competitive place against the now defunct OEP. One container will last you 30-45 days of consecutive use.
I would recommend AT2 to anyone who is experienced with supplements and knows how stimulants work in there body. Its a good supplement for fat loss and enhances performance for both aerobic and anaerobic exercise.
I've been a fan of PES for a while now. A –T2 is one of those fat burners where you don't feel it working. I finished my one month supply last week and I wasn't sure how I was going to rate this supplement. I was using several other products in my stack so I had to wait a few days to see if I could feel a difference without using it every day. What I noticed was my hunger shot up, way up. Other fat burners that I've taken in the past I've felt my body heat increase or I got Jittery or It kept me up all night long. I didn't have any of those sides at all so it felt like it wasn't doing anything. Looking at the results section you'll see exactly what it helped me achieve. I think my diet had more to do with my success than any supplement but I guess I didn't notice it at the time but it's easy to cut when you're just not hungry.
I decided to start my 1st cut in nearly 4 years. After a conference in Vegas and dealing with family issues I saw myself eat 3 times as much food as I should of, I gained about 18lbs in a month. I've always focused on strength gains and never seriously paid attention to my diet or have ever tracked all of my macros.
I started tracking every meal and snack focusing on reducing my sugar and carb intake (220 grams /day) and keeping my protein levels around (220 grams) and fat at (50 grams) totaling 2200 calories a day. All of my carbs come from 4 sources Oatmeal, Brown Rice, Whole Wheat Bread and Fruit.
I was using Hydro builder for the 1st week then cut out all protein shakes and creatine for the last 2 weeks. My fat comes from meat, cheese, fish and fish oil supplements. Pretty simple in theory but very hard to do when you're around food 8-12 hours a day 7 days a week. I did eat dessert once a week as the only cheat part of my diet. I always have to taste stuff at work but now I taste it and spit it in the garbage. My employees all think I've lost my mind.
My starting weight was 256lbs and finishing weight was 234lbs. that's 22lbs in less than one month. So I'm a few lbs. lighter than we I started my all-out food fest. I did lose strength on bench but I've continued to set PR's for reps for squats and deadlifts so I'm kind of have mixed feelings on this. I added a small amount of cardio into the mix but only 2 days of 20 minutes on the bike while watching TV. I don't really see much of a difference in the mirror but my wife says I look smaller, I'm not really sure if that's a complement or not.
Dosing (9) Value (9)
Instructions on the bottle say to take two pills in the morning with an empty stomach and 1 more 6-8 hours later on an empty stomach. Don't take these with carbs.
I took 2 pills first thing in the morning and worked out on an empty stomach with my pre workout then had 2 more pills 1 hour before my lunch.
I upped the dosage before lunch because I wasn't feeling anything. The pills are not large and are very easy to swallow.
I paid $26 for this and I think that is a perfect price range for most supplements. If I would have taken as directed the 90 caps would have lasted me a month. I'm happy with the price I paid.
No major sides to speak of other than I did notice that at lunch (my biggest meal of the day) I didn't eat as much. I had to force myself to eat more and when I dropped all protein shakes it made it very difficult to hit my macro goals. No problems sleeping, no hot flashes and no nervous energy.
What I've learned is that your diet is way more important than anything. I think if I was going to take this again I would try stacking it with a thermo genic supplement. It works but not like other fat burners that I've tried in the past. It's not overly expensive and worth the price.
I was very interested in Alpha-T2 because it contained a powerful, cleaner form of yohimbine. Yohimbine HCL is good stuff, but it can cause heart palpitations. I had used Yohimbine HCL before and loved its effects on energy and fat loss, so I was hoping this was even better.
Before taking this, I didn't expect much because there was no caffeine present.
I was shocked at the punch this little pill packed. What was even better was it was a nice punch, but it was clean and crisp with no jitters, rapid heart beat, etc that often accompanies Yohimbine HCL. When I started using this product I was on a pretty hard cutting phase. I dropped probably 2% while using this. I continued using as I transitioned to a bulking phase. I have since packed on some weight, while still keeping my bodyfat the same.
I never went over 3 pills a day because the energy seemed to last so long. It didn't feel unnatural either, it was a very crisp feeling energy.
I let my friend try some and he said it suppressed his appetite and he loved it since he was dieting.
One thing to note. Whenever I wanted the ultimate kick or preworkout, I would take caffeine with this. That's what's cool about the AT2, you get to choose when you want to add the caffeine.
Side Effects: 0/10
None. Maybe those who are stim sensitive will see some changes in things like heartbeat, but I did not.
I honestly think this is very reasonably priced at about $25 for a 4-6 weeks. That is roughly ~$5 a week for something that works.
I would definitely recommend AT2 for someone looking to lose bodyfat. AT2 provides a long lasting crisp energy that I have not experienced before. It wasn't overkill, but it was very helpful. If you want to send things into overdrive, all you need is a hefty dose of caffeine and then you are superman!
I definitely believe AT2 help me shed some fat and boost my performance in the gym. PES did good with this one.
Alpha T2 is marketed as a targeted fat burner in essence , as you know from the previous reviews on this product contains a more tolerant version of yohimbine called Rauwolscine HCL (14mg) without the negative side effects, as well as Higenamine (40mg) and 3, 3 diiodo-I-thyronine (300mg). Higenamine acts upon the beta-receptors which has been shown to burn fat without losing muscle. The 3, 3 Diiodo-I-Thyronine or as PES puts it the "˜T2' has been shown to increase metabolism and thermogenisis, giving thermogenic like effects and energy throughout the day.
What I experienced was somewhat different.
I hesitate to mark this product poorly as this is the first negative review I've written, yet it has taken me some time to get around to writing this review, which shows how un-excited I've been about the product as a whole how I wasn't motivated to write this due to the lack of a positive experience. Over the course of my run on Alpha T2 I was cutting and expecting to see an increase in either weight loss, energy, appetite suppression, decrease in bf%...but what I noticed was that even though I was experiencing the product working in my body, none of these changed more than they normally would have using a cutting diet. I lost the same amount of weight I did the next month while not using AT2 as I did during the month I was. I had no extra energy throughout this run even though I made sure to take time off after my OEP run. My appetite did not change at all, unlike other users. My body composition was changing, however I attribute this change in body composition to my diet, workout routine and ErasePro which was being run at the same time. A positive that I did experience with this product was that it did not contain any caffeine or 1,3 dimeth, which meant that you could dose these products later in the day without having to worry about how much you've already taken. AT2 just seemed to not respond well in my system, even though I felt the product doing something (see side effects), it was not positive and the outcome was not anywhere close to "˜targeted fat loss' or fat loss in general.
This is really where this product redeems itself for me at least. A run of AT2 will run you around $25 for a month's supply. This product is very reasonably priced, and coupled with the experience of the experience of others, I can see how this product would be quite popular.
Side Effects -8/10 Higher is worse
I regard myself as being very stim tolerant, able to take many doses of many different stims throughout the day. This product, however, had some very powerful effects that I did not expect. This product had a general warming sensation throughout my body about 30mins after dose (general thermogenic effect) and after this I would start to sweat...great generally for a thermogenic, however it did not stop there, it always (always) progressed to the point of turning my entire body freezing cold. I would be cold, put on something else and sweat through it, take it off and freeze again...all this sweating however resulted in no fat loss. I've been fine with other thermogenics and loved the feeling of sweating on OEP and Fat Smack, but this product took sweating to the extreme and my body did not respond well. Another, and more dangerous side effect I experienced was a heart rate issue. T2 has been shown to make the heart rate quite erratic at times and I definitely experienced this. Little, every day things, would make my heart rate jump up to a very high BPM range, much more than OEP and Fat Smack. It would get so bad that I wouldn't even be able to pick something light up in my room without my heart jumping out of my chest. Very annoying and quite dangerous effect, that has not yet been mentioned by other user reviews. The final side effect (I hesitate to mention even) deals with increased blood flow to some regions on my body. You've heard of Stime D***, well this was the opposite effect, I'm not bragging at all because it was so annoying after a week or so but about 45ish mins after taking this product I felt like I took a Viagra and was experiencing the "˜4 hour issue'. Wouldn't go away for at least an hour or two. These side effects did this product in for me.
This product did not work for me, yet based off of the price point and the great experiences from other users I cannot fully count this product a failure. This is definitely a "You Decide" moment, I've now told you my experience with this product and hopefully if you decide to try it you'll have a better one than I did. I liked the fact that it didn't have caffeine in it or 1,3 dimeth but coupled with the side effects and the lack of effectiveness, I cannot rate this product positively. Thank you for reading and don't take this as a criticism of PES as a brand, this product was just a miss for me personally.
DOSE RATE: Over the course of 45 days I ran Alpha-T2 at a dose rate of 1 capsule first thing upon waking in the morning on an empty stomach and a second capsule 6-8 hours later also on an empty stomach.
ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS: During this 45 day cycle I was also using:
ON – Platinum Hydrowhey
ON – Platinum Hydrobuilder
ON – 100% Casein
Muscle Tech – Cell Tech Hardcore
USPLabs – Super Cissus
Purus Labs – Slin-Shot
Allmax Nutrition – Leucine
Gaspari Nutrition- Anavite
American EFX - Kre-Alkalyn
Body Strong – Citrulline Malate
PrimaForce – AAKG Arginine
Body Strong – Beta Alanine
Sci-Fit - Gluta-Lyn 1500
Body Strong – ZMA
Kirkland Signature – Glucosamine HCI w/MSM (Methyl-sulfonyl-methane)
Kirkland Signature – Omega 3 Fish Oil & Triple Omega 3-6-9
DIET: I maintained a fairly strict diet of 500 calories below maintenance while watching my macros to achieve their desired quantity.
WORK OUT PROGRAM: 3on-1off/2on-1off - complete body weight lifting program. Several exercises and sets per muscle, 6-12 reps always to failure, 60 second rest time between sets. Conducting the exact same weekly workout routine for all 45 days consisting of zero cardio.
SIDE EFFECTS: While I don't consider myself to be extremely sensitive to stimulants, (I add a huge scoop of instant coffee to my morning protein shake everyday), this product was too potent for me to take the recommended dosage of 2 capsules upon waking. Even at just one capsule upon waking I found myself to have mild to severe cases of the chills. Frequent urination was also very common and therefore I recommend not taking this product in the evening anywhere close to bedtime. While AT2 did not keep me from sleeping, I was awaked every 90-120 minutes to relieve my bladder. 2 capsules also had me extremely wired as though I was on speed. A sensation I really did not enjoy. The only side effect I did not mind was that AT2 really killed my appetite. I have a very regimented eating schedule and had to force myself to eat most meals and in some instances I simply could not finish my plate. I don't consider this a bad side effect as I absolutely hate fighting the desire to eat when hungry. I thought that over time I might build a resistance to the negative effects and attempt to up the morning dose back to 2 capsules, but the sides never did decrease enough for me to risk it.
Over the 45 day period I monitored my weight and body fat at several points along the way using a TANITA BODY COMPOSITION ANALYZER TBF-300A. While I do not consider this to be a truly accurate machine, I have to assume that the changes in data over time to be a fair assessment of AT2's fat burning abilities.
Day 1 Day 45
Age 43 same
Height 5'10" same
Weight 210.8 Lbs. Weight 211.6
BMI 30.2 BMI 30.4
Body Fat 16.3% Body Fat 15.7%
Fat Mass 34.4 Lbs. Fat Mass 33.2 Lbs.
Fat Free Mass 176.4 Lbs. Fat Free Mass 178.4 Lbs.
Total Body Water 129.2 Lbs. Total Body Water 130.6 Lbs.
So in a nut shell, after 45 days on AT2 I gained 0.8 Lbs in total weight and lost 1.2 Lbs of fat which is 0.6%.
I gained 1.8 Lbs of muscle, however up to 1.4 Lbs of that could just be pure water, so to be safe, I'm gonna say I gained 0.4 Lbs of muscle. As far as the effectiveness of this product is concerned in my case, it just wasn't. This slight change was not significant enough for me to continue taking this product. However as I could not take the recommended daily dosage, I can't completely discount it's ability to be an effective fat burner. Therefore I rate it right down the middle.
At the time of this writing, the best deal I could find on a 90 capsule, 30 day supply of Alpha-T2 was $16.44 through Amazon and $23.59 through All-Star Health. This is a very inexpensive dietary supplement that may work for those that can handle the full dosage. The decreased desire to eat and the other side effects let you know that AT2 is certainly doing something.
If your goal is to lose weight by suppressing your appetite then I highly recommend this product.
If you are like me and in relatively good shape, just looking to strip off that last remaining 10 pounds of hard held fat then this is not the product for you. It is my honest opinion that the side effects were not worth the little change in my body composition. However, since I believe the majority of people using a fat burner to actually need a fat burner, I am giving this product an overall score of 7 if for nothing other than its appetite suppressing qualities at an inexpensive price.
Serving Size: 2 Capsules
Servings per container: 45
Amount per serving:
-Higenamine – 40.0 mg
-Rauwolscine HCL – 14.0 mg
-3,3'-diiodo-l-thyronine – 300.0 mcg
About Alpha T2 (Stolen from PES' website):
Alpha-T2 is the first product that can effectively:
+Target Fat Loss
+Provide Full Body Fat Loss
+Combine multiple fat loss pathways in the body for an even greater effect – synergy at its finest.
+Give powerful fat loss without any caffeine crash and jitters
This product has found its own category in a rather washed out market of fat burners. Alpha-T2 uses new innovative stimulants that are designed for one purpose in mind: Give users the fat loss benefits of powerful stimulants without the side effects associated with stimulant based fat burners. After all...side effects don't make you lose weight.
So how does Alpha-T2 do it?
First, there is no caffeine or 1,3-dimethylamylamine in Alpha-T2. Second, it uses new innovative ingredients that closely target the fat burning pathways and do not target the pathways associated with the side effects of stimulants. And third, it includes pure T2, a powerful non-stimulant fat burning ingredient.
Alpha-T2 uses three ingredients that work together to give optimal results:
Dosing/Pills: Similar to most fat burners; 2 in the AM followed by another 6-8 hours later. Simple. Of course you should start by assessing your tolerance first, but I knew right off the bat that I would be able to handle the full 3 pill a day dosing.
-Alpha T2 pills are small in size with a green/white appearance...pretty cool.
-Weight Loss: 10 - Like I stated previously, I was recomping during this 4 week cycle which is why the weight loss wasn't extreme. However, I still managed to lose 4.5 lb's unintentionally and lost an additional 1 ½ inches off of my waist. I noticed most of my weight loss was in my chest, arms, back and midsection – which were the targeted areas that the bottle advertises. I could only imagine the results if someone followed a strict cutting diet while using this.
-Appetite Suppressant: 8 – This was definitely noticeable after taking Alpha T2. Sometimes I would have to force myself to eat breakfast after the first dose. However, I did notice that it seemed to die down during week 4.
-Energy: 0 - I'm a very stimulant tolerant person and there were times I dosed Alpha T2 by itself so I could determine what effects this product was giving me. Keep in mind this is a low stimulant fat burner and really, I felt little to no energy after dosing this; I could probably fall back to sleep shortly after dosing this. However, this is another reason why I bought Alpha T2. I was looking for a non/low stim fat burner to stack with Fat Smack XR, and this product was perfect for that.
Sides: 0 – I didn't have any side effects that some people have reported like cold chills and/or sweats. Of course everyone is different, but I had no sides while running this.
You can pick up a bottle of this bad boy for around $25+ depending on where you buy from. This is about average, if not lower, then most fat burners out there on the market.
I really enjoyed running Alpha T2 with Fat Smack XR and I received great results from stacking these two. I recommend this product to anyone who is sensitive to stims or someone looking for a low stim fat burner to stack with a higher stim supplement. This product truly delivers and I will definitely be running this again (2 in the mail as I write this!) Great job on this one PES!
VALUE: 8/10 - 30 day supply for about $22.00. I got it from muscleandstrength.com, came in within 2 days. For what it does, the value is pretty spot on, even cheaper the OEP.
Rauwolscine HCl 14mg
Higenamine is a beta-1 and beta-2 adrenergic agonist, meaning that it will raise your heart rate (beta-1) and help with lipolysis, i.e. the release of triglycerides from your fat cells, but you will still have to "burn" that fat on your own.
Rauwolscine HCL is a derivative of yohimbe and is very effective at attacking visceral fat. This allows a quicker reduction in the stubborn fat areas
3,3'-diiodo-l-thyronine - is a thyroid hormone. It increases the basal metabolic rate and, thus, increases the body's oxygen and energy consumption. Has been shown to increase the metabolization of fatty acids and the burning of adipose fat tissue.
EFFECTIVENESS: 9/10 - I usually do not rate products on a 9 scale unless it was superb for me, but this really did for me what I wanted. 90 pills for a 30 day cycle. I took 2 in the morning before breakfast. and 1 more in the afternoon about 6 hours later. It says to take 2 pills in the morning and wait about 1 hour before consuming any carb. I just followed the directions of the label. So to the effects. Let's be frank. My diet was subpar at best. I mean I tried my hardest to keep carbs low and protein high, calories minimum while doing HIIT cardio and lighter weight more reps, but I did tend to cheat a lot. Not really fast food but sugar loaded breads and carbs, even some sweets. But this product shined through all that. On the 30 day cycle, I still lost about 4lbs of fat, and my mass/strength remained the same. You can take this without coffee supplement unlike OEP or Yohimbine HCL and still have it work great. Also there is no jittery feeling on this product.
Another thing that this fat burner did for me was really curb my appetite. Not sure if there's anything in the product itself or was it all mental but it did that for me.
It also gives you a euphoric type of good mood throughout the day. Which is definitively a positive in my books.
SIDES: 10/10 - I did not see any negative side effects from this product.
Overall: 8/10 - Its pretty cheap, and potent. Works wonders, but you have to realize that you still have to put in the work, with nutrition, exercise (anorobic and aerobic). But this will help get that little bit of fat that keeps troubling you in hard areas. The biggest place I noticed a more firmness and toness from this product was around the arms, legs and stomach areas.
I would definitely recommend this product to others. I also heard it works well stacked with Erase Pro. Maybe next time.
I had a target of 10% body fat as part of my training but even with a clean diet and good training I was stuck at 12% for about 6 months. After doing quite a bit of research Alpha T2 seemed to be the ideal product for me since it was stimulant free and had excellent reviews at SR. Being from South Africa it was difficult to buy this product but the guys from PES were very helpful and managed to ship 2 bottles to me.
During my use of this product I also used MHP's X-Fit trainer and ON's Pro Complex. My training consisted mostly of high intensity sports training with 2 weights sessions every week and no steady state cardio at all.
I started on the lower dosage of 2 pills a day (1 in the morning and 1 in the afternoon) and changed to 3 pills a day after the first week (2 in the morning and 1 in the afternoon). I took the product for 8 weeks (the maximum recommended on the bottle).
The first thing I noticed about this product was the extra energy during my workouts. There's no sudden surge of energy or anything but endurance was definitely better.
The fat loss aspect of the product was really amazing. I noticed the changes almost immediately. I was eating 2-3 cheat meals per week but I kept losing weight and by the end of the cycle I had dropped to 10.2% body fat.
I regularly monitor my liver and kidney function (once a month) and before starting with Alpha T2 all my results were withing the normal range and my cholesterol was at 3.2. By the end of the cycle there was obvious liver dysfunction as my bilirubin levels shot up to over twice the 'normal' high and my cholesterol rose to 4.6! For those of you who dont know, your liver processes cholesterol so an abnormal rise can be explained by a liver dysfunction.
My hope for this product was that I'd lose fat and it did just that so it definitely deserves a 10/10 for the fat loss.
I didnt expect the increased energy levels but that was a pleasant surprise.
It's now 2 months after stopping use and my body fat is 10.3% and that includes the constant eating over the Christmas period so I'm very happy that I've managed to maintain the results without any changes to my lifestyle.
My bilirubin levels have lowered to the 'normal' range (although still higher than they used to be) and my cholesterol has dropped to 4.0. I think these will lower over the next few months and return to their previous values.
Due to the risk of liver dysfunction I would not recommend using this product for prolonged periods. If you're sensible about dosages and cycle time the product can definitely help you lose stubborn fat. I've given the product an 9/10 overall with the only negative being the liver dysfunction. Hopefully nobody else suffers from the same side effects!
Does it work?
Alpha t2 claims ti stimulate your thyroid gland (tt3 ingredient) causing the inhibition of new fat production while also causing fat storages to release there contents into the common blood flow. This means many things. it doesnt mean the body is "burning" fat. It is releasing it so you may burn your fat directly without having to first burn all your carbs and "sugar" reserves. Meaning you burn fat from minute 1 of your exercise to the end vs burning fat once everything else is depleted. The other 2 ingredients you find in every other fat loss product and are nothing exceptionally special but are backed by strong evidence saying the support fat loss.
One of the easiest ways to determine this product is indeed burning fat is seen when taking a pee and working out. When your body Burns sugar as its primary energy source our sweat and urine we will seem the same as the do in every day life. Now, when the body is burning fat as its primary or at least a decent factoring agent of energy its by poduct is ketones. ketones are very acidic and your body will try to quickly remove then through
You will know when your body is producing large amount of ketones as your breath (not as notiacble to you), urine and sweat will smell like acetone or even slightly fruity. it is the smell you have all encounter when you are at the end of a long workout drenched in sweat feeling completely exhausted. The alpha t2 allows you to burn this fat the whole time. ( thumbs up for the fat loss.)
Now the negative. I feel exhausted after about 15 minutes of taking it. My body feels just generally tired.
My endurance during workout like insanity crashes about half way through. This may be due to having used up my fat stores before they were.actually needed? Im not sure. All I know is I cant go near as hard after a while through long endurance exercises like insanity.
I love that there is no caffiene. No jitters, no extra crash. Other than initally feeling drained I do not notice it. I don't have to worry when taking with other supplements or coffee.
Overall this product does exactlt what it says it does targeting fat. You see it constently in your ketone release. If you do lots of endurance it will make your body work extremely hard.
I had great success with it when I had plateued annd I think It is a great product at a competative price.
I ran a 8 week cut from jan 1 to end of Feb to get in shape and new years resolution.
Goal was to lose 20lbs and have my lifts go up in the gym (i know these products dont build muscle)
Week 1-4 i took alpha-t2 only. 2 caps in the morning on a empty stomach and then another cap between lunch and dinner on an empty stomach. effects were very strong after the first dose. I got very warm all day, great feeling. I lost 12 pounds in the first 4 weeks with a monitored diet and 4x week cardio
biggest PRO was that i never crashed or got the crappy stimmed out caffeine feeling
week 5-8 i took 2 OxyElite Pro and 1 alpha-t2 in the morning and 1 OxyElite Pro + 2 alpha in the afternoon.
i lost 17lbs in this course of 4 weeks. Diet was on par and cardio was great. This stack was stronger than taking just alpha-t2 alone, but also the oxyelite gave me that crappy caffeine feeling and crash feeling. that was the only CON