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Offline dylangemelli

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Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« on: November 05, 2011, 09:13:29 PM »
So here is what I am thinking... This is my first real ph cycle... I have done test boosters but nothing like this... I am 6'1" 175... 7 % bf... I do 5 miles a day running and 5 on the stair climber and lift really hard... I want to put on 5-10 lbs. of lean muscle without increasing my body fat... I have been researching for nearly a month to make sure I get this right... I am looking for some advice on the stack that I have come up with...

I am thinking of doing both helladrol and kitanadrol... Do you think this would be a good idea or should I do the helladrol by itself...

I was going to preload for a week with cycle assist (which brand is recommended) and milk thistle and hawthorn berry...

Helladrol 50/75/75/75/75/100
Katanadrol 0/0/250/250/250/250 (ANY RECOMMENDATIONS??)  I am not sure about the kantana dosage
Cycle Assist 2x a day... 4 hours before and 4 hours after doses
Taurine if needed
Fish Oil (is this really necessary??)
whey and casein protein
liver support (is this necessary??)

PCT
Nolva 20/20/10/10
DAA OR Animal Stak 2
Formastanozol
lean xtreme (for cortisol)
Pre workout - Assault or Gamma Labs

Do I need to have any post cycle assist and is this overdoing it???


Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2011, 09:30:16 PM »
furuza at 250mg will only harden you and help you get rid of some fat. Run it at 350/350/400/400/450/450. Dont go to 500, I did it and it just gets bad lol. Now if you suffer from anxiety dont even run furuza.
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Re: Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2011, 09:32:49 PM »
so does everything else on there look pretty good to you?
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Re: Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2011, 09:43:35 PM »
Don't stack if this is your first cycle.
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Re: Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2011, 10:45:28 PM »
okay so i will just go with the helladrol on its own... so 50/75/75/75/75/75 look good... with cycle support, liver support, fish oil... anything im leaving out?  should i run formastanzol during the cycle too or just pct?
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Re: Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2011, 12:14:02 AM »


@thinsin....personally I think he will be fine stacking this two, they are both mild and if done properly he can reap some great results and prevent any sides. One of them is not even meyhylated and very mild or even non-existant in almost every aspect of PH's sides. Plus it seems he has done his research assignment.


@dylangemelli, (why is your name so hard to type lol) Helladrol is mild, but very effective. I personally would up the dosage for the last two weeks to 100mg and possibly, depending on how you react to 125mg; however, most people see results with your set up, but if you decide to stack it. Stick to helladrol at 75mg max.

Also take a look at the link on my signature. I ran p-mag which is very similar in the nomenclature, but different in its body composition effects, to h-drol and I stacked it with furuza-a. ... sick cycle!! lol
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Re: Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2011, 01:07:44 AM »
I just think its always safe than sorry. Most people like to stick to one compound for the first time. Nobody is on a hurry here haha.
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Re: Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2011, 01:52:15 AM »
i think im just going to go with the helladrol first to be safe... just to make sure my body reacts okay... i have been running nrgx labs andro maxx and alpha maxx before with no sides at all... i know they are not really ph's but they really worked... my bench went up 30 pounds and basically so did all my weights and that is after all the cardio i do... for me THE MOST IMPORTANT THING is to keep my body fat low but put on about 5-10 lbs. of lean muscle... do you feel that is attainable... I am not a huge eater... I only eat about 1500 cals a day... i realize i will have to eat more to get the gain i want but no body fat!!  so here is what i have come up with

helladrol 50/75/75/75/100/100 - 125
cycle assist
liver support
fish oil
taurine if necessary
no preworkouts or stimulants... maybe some bcaa's...

pct
nolva 20/20/10/10
pct assist
DAA or animal stak (which is better??)
formastanzol
lean xtreme

is there anything i should add or take out?

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Re: Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2011, 01:16:11 AM »
If you don't eat a lot of quality food you'll sell yourself, and your ph cycle potential, short. Just sayin'.
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Re: Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2011, 05:36:06 AM »
So here's what I'm thinking.....

The amount of cardio-exercises that you do is holding you back from gaining the desired 10 pounds of lean muscle which is perfectly attainable without prohormones. I would say, either cut back on the cardio or significantly increase your calories. You are 6'1" at 175 and judging by your picture, you are nowhere near your genetic max, but you already know that. If you feel that you have done everything you can naturally to reach your goal, you are wrong.

How do you expect to gain muscle with all that cardio? You are burning up a lot of potentially muscle building calories AND at the same time you are creating a very catabolic environment.
Let's say that you gain the desired weight with prohormones. What do you think is going to happen when you are off them and continue your cardio overkill? I am willing to bet that you will lose all the gains even with a great pct!
You know it's true. To reach your specific goal you don't need prohormones or steroids and you know it.

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Re: Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2011, 07:32:37 AM »
I eat really only quality food... I rarely eat anything with a lot of grease or fat in it... I stick to fruits, vegetables, proteins, chicken... etc... once in awhile a pizza and pasta...

Im a runner so thats why i do all the cardio... i have always done that much cardio and if i dont, then i just dont feel like myself... I ran NRGX andro maxx and alpha maxx together and have put on about 2 lbs over 8 weeks but my lifts went through the roof... My bench went up 30lbs and basically so did all my lifts... i would stick with them but i feel like they gave me some weird advice...

they say to run their products for 8 weeks, take 2 weeks off and then go ahead and go again... but running a tren-ethyl 13, andro maxx and alpha maxx 8 weeks and then 2 weeks off with no pct from what i read is not right... i asked them about this and they say that their compounds are not like a normal tren etc... and their alpha maxx works as a pct... does this not sound right to anyone??
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Re: Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2011, 08:50:16 AM »
Obviously your diet should consist of high quality foods, but the amount of food is equally important. How many calories are you consuming daily? And about how much calories are you burning with cardio daily?
 

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Re: Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2011, 08:53:26 AM »
well right now I am eating about 1500 and burning more than that... obviously that will change on a  ph...
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Re: Helladrol and Katanadrol Cycle Questions... Need Advice!!
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2011, 09:30:31 AM »
well right now I am eating about 1500 and burning more than that... obviously that will change on a  ph...

DUDE!!!!!!!!!!! Need I say more???? You are on a low calorie diet, AND you burn a huge amount of calories! I can guaran-freakin-tee you, that if you up your calories to about 3000 you WILL gain weight, without PH. How in the heck will you gain fat with that amount of calories?
That said, you should reconsider the amount of endurance activities if you are serious about getting bigger, at least temporarily. Just cut back on the exercises and eat like a horse. Your body is literally starving, please don't worry about gaining fat!
Get some quality food, and buy some dextrose/maltodextrin and whey for a  homemade post workout shake. Tell you what: put the prohormones on hold, take my advice try to consume around 3000 cals daily, cut back on the cardio and come thank me after a month when you have gained weight! Better yet, try it all to way through wintertime!
Deal?