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Offline Mcerrigi

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Casein & ZMA
« on: January 28, 2010, 12:36:26 PM »
I know this has been spoken about before, so forgive me.

If ZMA absorption by the body is halted by calcium, then is it possible to use ZMA and casein both without it being a total waste?  My thought is, can I maybe take ZMA at 10:00 pm, and then at 10:30 bang a casein shake, and maybe enough of the ZMA will have been absorbed by then to still be effective?  Or maybe the reverse scenario?  I would think if anything is to work, it would HAVE to be casein after ZMA, since the casein will digest so slowly.

Any thoughts or personal experiences regarding this?  If cottage cheese has a good amount of calcium as well, maybe I should just have a can of tuna or a chicken breast before bed instead of the casein?  Just thinkin out loud here
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Re: Casein & ZMA
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2010, 12:41:07 PM »
Yeah the standard procedure here is to take your ZMA 45-60 minutes before your casein/cottage cheese.

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Re: Casein & ZMA
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2010, 08:06:40 PM »
Would taking ZMA around ten, and falling asleep around 1 matter?
 

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Re: Casein & ZMA
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 09:28:41 AM »
Would taking ZMA around ten, and falling asleep around 1 matter?

No youll still get the sleep benefits if you make sure to take it on an empty stomach. I dont see why you would do that though. Why not just take it at 12 or 12:30?
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Re: Casein & ZMA
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2010, 07:41:56 PM »
Would taking ZMA around ten, and falling asleep around 1 matter?

No youll still get the sleep benefits if you make sure to take it on an empty stomach. I dont see why you would do that though. Why not just take it at 12 or 12:30?
i have trouble falling asleep, it usually takes me a few hours.
 

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Re: Casein & ZMA
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010, 08:52:41 AM »
That sucks man, ZMA should help with that. Im using usp powerfull right now and it has me sleepin like a baby. No need to count sheep.
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Re: Casein & ZMA
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2010, 09:30:57 AM »
For your question, I personally don't think there should be a big problem. The suggested ratio of Ca++ and Mg++ intake is 2:1; if your Mg++ intake is times more than Ca++ intake, it shouldn't be a problem for Mg++ intake. OK, even it might decrease Mg++ intake a bit, you can always add a Mg tablet for that.
 
To be honest, I don't trust ZMA that much. It might be really good to take enough Mg++, Zinc, B6, but I can't see why it has to be that ratio. Moreover, I can't see why it has to be that kind of compound: if you search on google, you will find the bio-usage ratio of common used MgO2; yes, it's lower, about 1:1.6, but you can take 0.6 times more to adjust that, and the price is more than five times different.
You can get a bottle of dirt cheap MgO2 tablet, a bottle of dirt cheap Zinc Glucoside tablet, a bottle of dirt cheap B6, which in a sum cost 1/3 of your ZMA....

There are also many papers (published by independent groups rather than manufactur sponsed ones) doubt the effect of ZMA's increasing Testo level.
Does anyone who takes just ZMA and found testo level is boosted? (surely that ZMA product has to be free from any illegal ingredient)
For me, that combination makes me sleep better, but Mg++ only can do that too; and I got slightly better 'morning wood', but B6 only can do that too.
 

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Re: Casein & ZMA
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2010, 09:52:02 AM »
Well I sleep much better and it makes me break out everytime I cycle it. I dont know if that is caused by a test boost but it is a worthwhile supplement to me just for the sleep.
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Re: Casein & ZMA
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2010, 10:11:12 PM »
Currently taking Bullet Proof.  Seems to be working for recovery.  However, I seem to be waking up in the middle of the night now.  I am able to fall back asleep but it takes a little bit.  Im wondering if it is worth taking the supp if it ruins my rem sleep.  Also,  im still trying to find when the best time is to take the bullet proof and still be able to take my casein or cottage cheese.
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Re: Casein & ZMA
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 12:07:57 AM »
Currently taking Bullet Proof.  Seems to be working for recovery.  However, I seem to be waking up in the middle of the night now.  I am able to fall back asleep but it takes a little bit.  Im wondering if it is worth taking the supp if it ruins my rem sleep.  Also,  im still trying to find when the best time is to take the bullet proof and still be able to take my casein or cottage cheese.

Yeah the standard procedure here is to take your Bullet Proof 45-60 minutes before your casein/cottage cheese.
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Re: Casein & ZMA
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2010, 09:41:06 AM »
Thanks.
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