This is my very first real review(ive submitted others but they were 3 sentences)

Intro: I was first introduced to this supplement by a couple of friends of mine at a prep school i went to for h.s. They said they seemed to have great gains, and when inquired about it to out trainer he said it was a very good supp. and used by some college football teams.

Dosage: This supp. was used by me as a pre wokout along with black betas, which is the recommended stacking partner. You take two scoops in 8-12 oz. of water or anything else.

Taste: The taste is absolutely god awful. Honestly the first time smelling it and tasting it almost made me vomit. Then i smartened up and began to put in 1 scoop of Gatorade powder to get rid of the taste. This was an extremely effective method for me, and from then on i enjoyed this supplement to the fullest. The flavor i chose at random when using this was lemonade, bleh!

Value: On 8 ball nutritions website this product is sold at 66 bucks. I dont care what your getting that is redic. expensive. Lucky for me though i was able to acquire a discount price. Enter the name PAT into the dis*** thing when you place your order and you will get a 15-20% discount(i forget which one it is) Also you can call up 8 ball and give the name of your local h.s and they will give you a student discount which is the same %.

Efectiveness: I found this product to be extremely effective in amplifying me for my workout, i got extreme focus, motivation and energy. This is definately the best pre-workout ive taken thus far and its a shame its so unheard of(hopefully this review will change that) It doesnt give you an immense eneergy Boost like jack3d but i prefer herculin anyway, because i just responded so well to it. Also i definately noticed muscle fullnes and definiton. I was kind of a scrawny kid to begin with so when i started lifting and then added this as my pre workout along with some good protein i def. saw great gains

Profile: To me this is like a pre workout and a post workout because it provides the mental focus and energy you need for a pre and the creatine, arginine, whey, casein, and Amino's needed in a post. Reading over the profile of this product makes me very happy that i made the right decsion f0r my pre workout.

Overall: Heres a link to this product on 8balls site if you would like to take a look at it.
http://www.8-ballnutrition.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=6

I would fully reccomend this product to anyone in search of a new preworkout that they would like to try out. Keep in mind that i stacked in with the black betas which are said to coincide very well with the herculin. Also i just love the tingley feeling i get from the betas!!

just have to say it tastes nasty and smell but im not worry about that great pump,great energy plus great recovery plus last for a long time no side effects no problems here.

You can do an 8 ball while taking 8 ball nutrition Herculin CNO-3 for superior gains. Fat loss, strength gains. Recommend it to anyone looking for a good workout.